Redeemed Conversations with A.R. Ledgister
Redeemed Conversations with A.R. Ledgister
Trusting the Journey: Discovering Purpose Beyond Personal Dreams
What if the dreams we passionately chase are mere stepping stones to a much grander purpose? Join us as we unravel this profound question with Bernard, a pivotal figure in my spiritual journey. Together, we explore the intricate connection between dreams, divine timing, and spiritual growth. Bernard's wisdom illuminates the path, urging us to trust God's timing over our own desires, and to embrace the role of brotherhood in overcoming fears and vulnerabilities. Through heartfelt conversations, we tackle the challenges of discerning whether our dreams are aligned with God's plan and the importance of focusing on spiritual growth rather than just achieving personal goals.
Our discussion takes a reflective turn as we examine the true purpose of dreams beyond the realm of external validation. My personal journey from dreaming of nationwide stardom to finding a greater calling highlights how unexpected paths can lead to fulfilling destinations. Through experiences like competing on American Idol and leading worship on international stages, I discovered that dreams often serve as catalysts for a higher purpose. We invite listeners to reflect on their own aspirations, considering how they might align with divine guidance and lead to ultimate fulfillment.
With Bernard's insights, we delve into the complexities of unconditional love, roadblocks, and divine alignment. Exploring the struggle between flesh and spirit, we underscore the infinite nature of God's love, which surpasses human flaws and accomplishments. Emphasizing the need for child-like faith and surrendering to God's guidance, we discuss overcoming imposter syndrome and embracing new opportunities. Through stories of spiritual growth and divine preparation, we reinforce the importance of trust, preparation, and divine alignment in fulfilling our true purpose.
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uh, bernard, yo I, um, I am thankful for your presence here. Sir adam, I'm honored to be here. Man, I I, I gotta tell you something. Yeah, um, tonight was supposed to be a conversation about dreaming, okay, and I could not figure out another person to have here with me on this than you really?
Speaker 2:yes, man, I am honored by that, thank you, do you know why? Uh, no, but uh, I'm sure you're going to tell me, absolutely am so, um, earlier we were talking about when you have a dream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, often you're afraid to talk about it, you're afraid to walk in it, but, most importantly, often you are afraid to share it. And I often, even when I was in the process of getting ordained, right, yeah, and walking in that, it was conversations with you that helped me realize that God had had value in me. Wow, because I couldn't see it in myself, in me. Wow, because I couldn't see it in myself. So God would allow you and I to have conversations and you would be vulnerable, like vulnerable, vulnerable. And then I could do that with you. Yeah, and then, when I was able to do that with you, I was able to see light within me, wow, that God had given me. And when I was talking through this, I was like God, I need to know who you'd have me to do and I was afraid to call you. Never, I was afraid to call you because you're so famous and often, when people are famous and so awesome, you know a no from them would crush you.
Speaker 2:Have I ever told you no.
Speaker 1:No, but I also didn't want to abuse it either.
Speaker 2:But that's what brotherhood is for.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I'm honored to get the call. Absolutely. I don't even know this famous thing that you speak of, because for me, I'm just doing life with another man that I love and I'm not ashamed to even say that Happily married 17 years. Praise God, and it is good when God sends someone to be able to help you along on your journey.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, we're supposed to do it together.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Whatever you need, I always got you, bro. You've always done the same for me, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I try not to ever tell you, no, ever. So tonight is supposed to talk about is the dream real? And it's not necessarily the question that I have or you have anymore, it's the question that others have. It's the question that others have that I'm hoping we can help them walk through the mental thought about it and the spiritual thought about it, ok, so that we could help them see If this is a God thing or not, because we want to have to uncover what a God thing or not is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I'm going to tell you that I had dreams that I know wasn't of God. I know it wasn't of God. Okay, he covered me in them. Yeah, praise God, he covered me in them. I had a great music life and he covered me in it, yeah, and I felt like it was my dream and I studied and I did everything I could. But getting to the point of that, what I wanted, yeah, I could never get there. I always had these roadblocks, like we talked about early roadblocks or doors closed, yeah, and I'm like God, why? And either I'd have to turn around or I'd have to go around. I'd have to turn around or I'd have to go around, but it was in the go around thing that I began to get to really know where I was called and what I was called to do.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and that's really God's process. See, most people make the mistake of thinking that their dream, or God's dream for them, means that everything is supposed to be easy, not realizing that God is a God of order and will always order your steps. And as he's ordering your steps, he always wants to ensure that you are prepared to go to the level that he has for you. He sees the perfected end and knows where you are, and so, understanding that pushes us to be able to say he says I want to be able to give the world to you, but I'll only give it to you when you're prepared for it. So, instead of you being focused on getting the dream, I need you to be focused on being in relationship with me and learning to trust me, cause if you'll trust me, I can give you everything. But if you want everything, I don't know if I can trust you yet.
Speaker 1:See, you always know how to make those things real deep and I ain't going to lie to you. Sometimes, when you say deep things, I get on your bandwagon and I'm like I'm just going to hold on to his coattails. So I'm going to say my little, my deep be like the spoon, but your deep be like the ocean. So you know, but one of the things that you realize is that when you talk about where you are versus where God wants you to be and one of the things why the Redeemed Conversation thing came up, yes, sir, was that God wanted to talk about the process in the process, while I was in the process. Okay, right, and yes, read, yes, study. But then God wanted me to understand why do you want that, right? Why do you want a Grammy, right? Why do you want it? Yeah, do you want it for the applause and accolades of others? Absolutely, and that's what I wanted it for. Right, why do you want it? Do you want it for the applause and accolades of others? Absolutely, and that's what I wanted it for.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or do you really? Are you really here so that you can bless me? Because I was. I was struggling. I said one minute I want to do music because I love music yeah, I love seeing people grow in music. But then my main goal was a Grammy, which a Grammy is great. It's an applaud from everybody else who's a musician. But when I didn't get there and when that wasn't on the horizon, I felt so discouraged and I didn't want to keep going. But people were able to be blessed by what we were doing and what I was doing so often, so that you know. The question asks like you'll never really know in the beginning what the dream is. So then, how do you know if it's real?
Speaker 2:How do you know if it's real? The truth of the matter is you have to embrace the fact that the dream may have been given to you as an impetus to pull you from where you were. We got to unpack that, okay. So here's the thing. I bet you didn't know, or you may not remember, that I was on American Idol. Did you remember that? Did you know that?
Speaker 1:My nigga. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:And you smashed that thing and I I in my life. For me, um, I'll never forget. I was, uh in Memphis, tennessee, and uh was helping a pastor out of the church. And he asked me one day what is your dream when you close your eyes? What do you see? Pastor out of the church. And he asked me one day what is your dream when you close your eyes? What do you see? I said I see myself standing on a stage in front of tens of thousands of people singing. He said okay, then that's your dream. Now for me. I took that vision that I saw and I defined it as okay, I'm supposed to be this nationwide singer, and so I'm. Now I'm going to do everything I can in the easiest route in the early late nineties early two thousands was to get on a singing competition. So I did a couple of gospel versions and then I did American Idol and made it to the top 40 out of 105,000 singers. And they told me you're a great singer, we just don't think you're marketable. They told me you're a great singer, we just don't think you're marketable. And they sent me home.
Speaker 2:In that moment, adam, I believed that my dream was dead. And then I just started serving in my church and serving different opportunities and got married and moved to Atlanta. I'm just. I don't think I'll ever get that dream again. I need you to stay with me on this, because the next thing I know I go to church with my wife.
Speaker 2:She's at a church called New Birth, one of the largest churches in America. I go as a member. Right, I didn't go to be hired as the worship leader. I didn't go to be hired as a director of worship and arts, but God's plan was it opened doors. I ended up just getting on the worship team and transition happened. Next thing I know I'm this worship leader that is traveling the world with an international speaker, with YouTube videos, with millions of hits on them, and it wasn't until I was standing on a stage in South Africa that I realized the dream that I thought I lost had come true. And so the dream isn't just about you achieving that specific thing that you saw many years ago. Sometimes it's an impetus to put you in the journey.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about it for a second. Learn to grow and love him as you go through it. Now we got to keep unpacking a little bit more. Come on, let's pack, because now here's the thing. Yeah, to not even worry about semantics. The dream came true. Right, because it is still singing in front of thousands of people. Correct, right.
Speaker 2:Still, but not on the terms that I thought. I thought that I was going to be a nationally known recording artist Sure. That I was going to be getting stellar awards. That I was going to be getting Grammy awards Sure, that was my translation of the dream. He showed me, not realizing that what he's done what he's actually done is he's taken me on more stages than most national, nationally known recording artists will ever see in their lives. So that isn't about me.
Speaker 1:It's all about him, it's all about God, and I think that's the thing that I had to realize about a dream, even with with myself, was I wanted. So you know, my, my, my goal was always to be like rodney jerkins, david foster, ron fair, uh, quincy jones. Rest in peace, bro and how was the?
Speaker 1:man, oh, ron Fair, all of them and I wanted to be a record producer. Right, that's what I wanted to be, yeah, right. And as I went on being, when going down that road, I wanted, I felt like the way that you can become or have the accolades to know that you're actually a successful record producer was that, if you got a Grammy producer of the year, right. And then I realized that in the music industry and this is, this is as I'm growing in the music and I realize in the music industry it's not just the Grammys and the things of that nature, but it's your influence. Yeah, and, bernard, I'll tell you my dream I never had a Grammy, never had one. Don't know if I'll ever have one it's not dead yet but the influence God has given me privately has helped me to be the record producer I always wanted to be. Yeah, but then God was able to show me that, even as becoming a record producer, just take record off of it and become a producer of people, and I learned how to do that. And here's the part that that me and God had an issue with. At first I felt that that was a failure. Okay, at first I felt like that was not. At first I felt like that was settling Okay, until God began to wreck me. Unpack it, okay. So here's the wreckinging, because all I did was look at me. I didn't look at the people that I was affecting.
Speaker 1:One day I was on the road and one of the engineers that we were with at that time he said because we always did prayer at that time, before the shows and one of the things he said was um, when you pray before the show now, this r&b show there wasn't no gospel. We was absolutely. They was gyrating, taking shirts off with baby oil. Um, okay, but we were praying. No, no, no, diddy. So, so, so we would have to pray for every show, so we would pray. Now, this one particular day, you prayed right. And the monitor engineer now, this monitor engineer, he got Grammys, he got influence. Okay, he pulled me aside. And, bernard, maybe I'm 24 at this time he pulled me aside and he said when you pray, I feel like it's okay that I talk to God.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:He said you allow it to be approachable for me to do, because I don't do it. I don't know how to do it. Yeah, I found more. I found more satisfaction wow, in that, yeah than any music, any award. That's what started me on that journey of helping people have conversations with God. Yeah, that they normally don't think it's okay to have, but they know they'd like to have with somebody. Why can't you have it with God?
Speaker 2:That's good. What is an album? So I just, I just stay on the line. What is an album?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't want to be wrong in front of you.
Speaker 2:Typically it's a collection of songs collection of thoughts right, that are stories of individual. It's individual stories and messages set to music, yes, of an individual sent out to people to make connections to other people, right? Yes, you are a producer of physical albums.
Speaker 1:Did you just sum up my heart? I think you did.
Speaker 2:You're a producer of physical, the physical representation of albums, as you influence people, as you, as you challenge them to grow. We've got a producer, jada, in here today and you're helping to craft this new album that's going to be able to do so many wonderful things and tell stories that other people, only because they'll hear hear her story, will be able to know that their story is worth listening to. Glory to God.
Speaker 1:That's why we're brothers. Amen. You're an amazing producer.
Speaker 2:You see what I'm saying. I'm a product of your production. My first single you produced it vocals gifted man no, I'm just saying you so.
Speaker 1:So now let's have the conversation, because even now you are you, so now let's talk about it. While you were going to the thousands, while I was working on people, the conversations we had with ourselves, yeah, we gotta talk about that okay, let's talk about it because those, those conversations I won't lie to you, sometimes they almost killed me.
Speaker 1:B how so those conversations, those conversations I used to have with myself about myself, about what I was doing, almost killed me. B how so those conversations, those conversations I used to have with myself about myself, about what I was doing, came from an angle that was not of God. So take, for instance, it always came from a condemning angle Right, okay, you can't get that or go for that because you're not this, you can't get that or go for that because you don't do this, you don't do like this, you're not like him or not like that. Now, that's. There's always going to be a comparison game. Right, always going to be that. But how did you get through yours?
Speaker 2:When I, when I master it, I'll let you know.
Speaker 1:OK, good, because I'm I'm not there yet fully.
Speaker 2:No, and I think we're always going to have that. As we are people on Earth, we're always going to be tempted. Watch what I just said. We're always going to be tempted to compare ourselves to other people, because the temptation of comparison, it's the temptation of comparison. Okay, so I'm going to take you back to a conversation that we had probably now two years ago. I bet you didn't remember that.
Speaker 2:We are constantly going back to the Eden, set up with God, and he's constantly asking us do you want to eat from the tree of life or do you want to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
Speaker 2:Taking the temptation of comparison means that I'm choosing to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I know what's good, I know what's bad, and I'm comparing myself to what I think is good and what I think is bad, and I eat from that tree because I think that what comes out of me is not strong enough, as opposed to eating from the tree of life. God, you made me for a specific purpose. I should be enough, and I should be enough, and I should be enough. And you're the one that said that I was enough Because before I was formed in my mother's womb. You knew me, you called me and you had a purpose for me. Your thoughts towards me were good and not evil, and so why am I going to get caught up in what is happening out there, when everything that's happening to me should be a conversation just between you and me?
Speaker 1:with no other external influence. With no other external influence? Yeah, but then when you allow it to come in, do you allow god to process it with you? Absolutely, you should, you should now. You should, you should allow it always? No, of course not no, we don't, no, we don't because we're human beings and we're gonna.
Speaker 2:We're gonna bend one way or the other. We're gonna make mistakes. We're in this constant battle of flesh and spirit and so we're gonna be trying to figure out oh, this feels good. Oh look, my post is getting up there. It's getting up there. This is viral. Oh, this song. This is viral. Oh, this song. People are starting to listen to it. Oh wait, I sound like this person. Somebody's feedback to me was like yeah, but you sound like a broke off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you look like a broke off. Yeah, you probably should have did this.
Speaker 2:You probably should have did not realizing that they're just looking at it from their perspective Right? If Realizing that they're just looking at it from their perspective, right? If you did what?
Speaker 1:God told you to do. Be satisfied with that, and I think that is the mission of us conversating tonight is to help people to reassure that God gave it to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And if God gave it to you, it is an opportunity for you to neglect. The naysayer Got you, but then the biggest naysayer.
Speaker 2:Got you. But then the biggest naysayer is not external, it's internal.
Speaker 1:See, we ain't got to that person yet. I mean that's internal.
Speaker 2:And so being able to being able to be okay with the fact that he's okay with you trying not being perfect. He never asked you to be perfect, and so we make the mistake of thinking that the only thing that God likes is the thing that's perfect.
Speaker 1:Do you know? I didn't. I did not know or realize or really accept that until I went into MIT Wow, MIT. Now I'm talking.
Speaker 2:Yep 35.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 30, 34. Yeah, While producing Uh-uh. So I'm helping people while still broken. I didn't understand that. Realize that I didn't get that. I'll tell you a story. When I was, um, when I was in my interview for MIT, uh, Dr Thompson asked me. He said what are the characteristics of God? And I named all of these wonderful things. You know, majestic, yeah, I mean the healer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Provider. Yeah, but he said give me a theme of God. Who is God? I did not answer it. He said so, do you not correlate God and love? And I didn't be. I never correlated God with love and I didn't be. I never correlated God with love. Wow, and so I've been on the journey now to know that you converse with somebody you love, because if you love them enough, you'll accept what they say to you. Yeah, so then I was trying to understand how could you say those things about me? Cause that was the internal naysayer Right. How can you really say those things about me, cause at first I didn't want to hear them.
Speaker 2:No, because we think, because we've been taught both in religious circles and in society, that everything is a meritocracy big word.
Speaker 1:Everything is a meritocracy.
Speaker 2:Everything is based off of what you are or are not able to do, and so the basis of my love for you is based off of how good, how great or how strong you are. If you aren't, then it isn't love. It's pity I think there's too many of us that think God just pities us.
Speaker 1:I didn't even think that. I didn't even think that. And you come from a place of positive pity, Right, Positive pity. The pity that says oh, I feel bad for you, so let me. I come from the pity that says how terrible, are you Now?
Speaker 2:look what I got to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got to save you again. Again you come and ask for forgiveness again. Nigga, you ain't got that right yet and you realize it's like what can somebody say to themselves to believe what God said about them?
Speaker 2:You have to realize that he's standing there always with open arms. That's true. Never closed. That's true. That's true. A parent that constantly has open arms, that baby knows that they can be safe to run in. Even if I fall down, even if I make a mistake, watch this. I made a mistake. I know I'm supposed to run to his arms. His arms are open because I'm supposed to run there.
Speaker 1:Let's unpack it for a second. Yeah, I'm supposed to run to his arms.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:I'm supposed to run to his arms, even when let's add check, even when I wanted to do what I did yep even when I didn't do what I know I should have did.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm supposed to run to his arms, even when I don't feel like they're open yep I don't know how I got past not feeling God's arms were open, even though I know they were always open. I don't even think I'm still past it. We know it, but we don't believe it. Yeah, but what can somebody say to themselves to help you believe that God's arms are always open? I know scripture, but what does someone say to themselves to help you believe that God's arms are always open? I know scripture, but what does someone say to themselves to help them believe that God's arms are always open?
Speaker 2:Realize that God is not human, and so every human has a limitation. I'm only going to live a certain amount of time. I'm only going to be young for a certain amount of time. I'm only going to have this for a certain amount of time. I'm only going to be young for a certain amount of time. I'm only going to have this for a certain amount of time. But he is infinite, which means his love towards you cannot, will not and will never, ever change, and you have to start believing that.
Speaker 1:But you got to first establish it. No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to believe it.
Speaker 1:Well, how do you believe now? Faith never defined Now.
Speaker 2:Faith is a substance of things. Hope for the evidence of things not seen. Yes, sir, it's crazy. You have to be crazy to believe that.
Speaker 1:But don't you think the beauty is in the definition? The beauty is in defining how much do you know how much God loves you? The beauty is in defining how much do you know how much God loves you? Do you know how many people have never really understood or accepted the sacrifice of Christ?
Speaker 2:Of course.
Speaker 1:It's a biblical story.
Speaker 2:It's a beautiful story.
Speaker 1:But they've never really said God would have done that just for me, not would have did. Oh, god did that just for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I can walk in that Correct. And he did that so that you wouldn't hide yourself from me. So if you don't believe in the blood brought, the blood brought sacrifice, then that's it. That's why I say you got to define it. A lot of folk have never defined it Again. I'm going back to me. I'll always show you my vulnerability. Yeah, man, I did not really understand or accept. I went and saw the passion of Christ when I was going back to me. I will always show you my vulnerability. Yeah, man, I did not really understand or accept. I went and saw the Passion of Christ when I was in college. Yeah, and Powerful movie, powerful movie, yeah. And I remember the girl I was seeing at that time. She was just bawling and I wasn't bawling like that. And I realized because I didn't think it applied to me. Wow, and I realized because I didn't. I didn't think it applied to me Wow.
Speaker 1:Being honest, I didn't think it applied to me. So when it when time came that I have to now want to talk to God after not doing right, I didn't know that I had that's what?
Speaker 2:but again scripture. And that's where scripture comes into play. One million percent, because the other piece is that you were saying, but it has to be defined, it has to be defined. I think the bigger issue is that we are trying too hard to define it by our own standards. Sure, and not through his. It's impossible for me to believe that God, the father, loves me If my head, if my earthly father does not. Yes, it is very difficult for me to believe that God loves me unconditionally when every time I've tried to extend myself unconditionally to another human being, I've felt manipulated, I felt pushed down. Yeah, but again, his thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not our ways.
Speaker 1:So, as we now are prying to trying to understand the defined love of God, that now has to help you define the dream Right. The beautiful part of it is that, when you define how much God loves you and then you break down the dream that he gives you, for it to be something that is a part of his perfect will. I did a word study on the word will and it was God's best offer, and it was God's best offer for me. Yeah, in the position in which the he sees that I need to be in. Yeah, in which that he sees that I need to be in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you'd believe that God will orchestrate your life in a way that, even should you allow him to converse with you, yeah, he'll give you the opportunity to see that I did give you an actual thought process that I just needed you to define a little bit better. Yeah, but like you said earlier, I defined it by my own thought, by your own thoughts and by your own standards. Correct? So now, once God shows you, now once you start seeing what God has for you, what do you do with the roadblocks that you put up?
Speaker 2:That you put up? Yeah, and the ones that are put up for you.
Speaker 1:You said something earlier. What was that thing? I remember because you said that real.
Speaker 2:I think so often we can get so hyper-focused on those roadblocks that we believe that if it was God's intention for me to go down this road, there would be no roadblock. And so the fact that there is a roadblock means, oh, that's a meeting. I got to turn back, I was going down the wrong road. But really, what he's looking for you to do is to investigate the roadblock. Is it literally a tree limb that fell down in the road? Then you can get out of your car, you can pick it up and move it out of the way. Why would you turn back when all you had to do was get out of the car and move it? Move it Now.
Speaker 2:Conversely, is that roadblock a sinkhole? That's unpassable, and if you try to go over that sinkhole, even if you try to go around it, you will damage your vehicle. You tear it apart. But I got to get to the other side. That's not the way he wanted you to go. You have to be willing to investigate it. Watch this. Thank you, holy Spirit, with his. Be willing to investigate it. Watch this, thank you, holy spirit, with his eyes.
Speaker 1:Investigate it with his eyes.
Speaker 2:Investigate it with his eyes to investigate it with his eyes. Now, how do I get there? And I'm going to. I'm looping back around because, for all of us, for all of us, for all of all of us that are focused on dreams, for all of us, for all of us, for all of all of us that are focused on dreams, you said something that was super powerful.
Speaker 2:In order to truly understand the dream, I have to fully realize and receive his love. Once I fully realize and receive his love Watch this I realize that he is the dream, facts, facts. He is the dream, facts, facts. He is the dream. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and then all things will be added unto you. And so if I fall in love with him and say tell me what to do with these gifts, not, how does it look when everybody else is using these type of gifts?
Speaker 2:I guess that's what I should be. I guess I should be a teacher. I guess I should be a singer. I guess I should be a preacher. No, I have the gift to teach. I have the gift to sing. I have to get preach. Why did you make me like this? What do you want out of me? It reminds me. It reminds me of Jesus's first miracle, when he turned water into wine. When he turned water into wine, he told Mary what Jesus told the servants to go get water pots and fill them with water. Right, she said do what he said. She said do what he said. He said go fill the water pots with water. The water pots were filled with water and as they walked, once they got to the table, it was full of wine. What happens when a water pot says I can't carry wine, I'm only made to carry water well, the whole time you're carrying wine.
Speaker 2:You carry whatever the creator tells you you are.
Speaker 1:But you believe you set your own capacity.
Speaker 2:You set your own capacity. That's good Bernard. That's good, Bernard, and it's not about just what you believe, but your willingness to surrender to the hands of the creator.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, surrender Right, but then, once you surrender and you accept, Yep.
Speaker 1:God then says you have to grow Correct, right, because one of the things that you realize is that when God then says I called you for this, like this, how this? But everything that you learned ahead, yeah, now he'll have you use Correct, would you believe? I've seen people remove the learnings of that's the word's the word, but that's fine remove the, the educational learnings that they've had before, because they felt that god changed everything but they didn't use anything that god had processed them through. Yeah, and that's one of the things that I know that I've seen a lot of people struggle with is that sometimes, using what you had to use to survive, yeah, you will now get to use to thrive, correct, and using it for the advantage of the kingdom of God. And what God has you to do, yeah, often puts you.
Speaker 1:I felt in the imposter place. Yeah, right, right. I felt that it put me there Imposter syndrome. I felt that it put me super at the imposter syndrome, because I thought that you know well, if I'm doing it here and I'm doing this and I was doing it here, am I still trying, or should I still look like, or would I be better accepted if I did, even after I got over the hurdles, but now the next place I'm dealing with is saying and what is what I'm doing? How I'm supposed to be doing it, what I'm supposed to be doing, and is it whatever?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I, and I wonder that when a dream is often grown step by step, by milestones yeah, often grown step by step by milestones, yeah, do you have to remind yourself that? Now, this is God's dream, right? Because I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't want to stay, I don't want to be deep. Be real, we already deep. I feel like even in the midst of me, walking throughout, walking God's dream out because of how he has grown me, I then start to develop it through my eyes. Sometime, Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And some days it works out well. Some days, cause you know God, god gives you gifts to see things like. You know god don't care what microphone you choose. No, god don't care about none of that no, I know a microphone, you chose some great microphones, thank you. They're nice. They got little plates, but so I'm like I, I want to know often and I won't, and I, and this is the thing I talked to Jim about today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would get comfortable and lost in that. Right, I get comfortable and lost in that because I could be my old me in a new place and not have to have any new milestones. Correct.
Speaker 2:And that's because you're still trying to define it according to your own standards. Absolutely, I think I wish there were more Christians that would embrace the fact. This is going to be controversial. Here we go. I wish there were more Christians that would embrace the fact that he never asked us to be adults in his presence. Say that again. I wish we had more Christians that would accept the fact that he never asked us to be adults in his presence. He said unless you have faith, like these children, you can't enter the kingdom of heaven. What does that mean? That means I don't ever get to the space that I stop asking him what do you want to do now? So he's giving you insight and he's giving you abilities, but he wants you to continue to surrender them to him and say, hey, I have this knowledge. Is this what you want me to do?
Speaker 1:Right, right and OK. Yes, because now, now, even as you, even even as you mentioned that scripture, I'm sitting here saying to myself OK, checking in, checking in, checking in, checking in. I really think you should stop. If you have not checked in, yeah, check in.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:If you haven't checked in on your dream with God. Check in Absolutely, Even while you're working and winning. Check in Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Even while you're working and winning, check in and check in, not just to say, daddy, are you proud of this? It's, daddy. Is this what you want? Right Do you have any changes? For me, those are two completely different questions. Because, daddy, are you proud of this? Is I'm doing this? I'm trying to make you proud, will you love me?
Speaker 1:more Earning, trying to earn God's love Versus.
Speaker 2:Daddy, is this what you wanted? If it's not, I'll stop it right now. I'll stop it immediately. No dream is bigger than the dream which is Him.
Speaker 1:So now let's talk how we walk in that. Okay, because, praise God, I've literally seen you be able to thrive in your calling. I've seen you be able to thrive in your calling that, once you got on the road of the Sun Revealed album, and I saw a shift in you being OK in what God called you to do and who God called you to be. Yeah, right, and it was OK that you were this broken vessel that could still pour. There's a song, yeah, oh man, it's coming out soon, oh man, but you have a song on that album that the broken vessel can still pour, yeah. And so now how do we help those who are broken vessels that got something in them? How do we help them be okay with their flow and their poor?
Speaker 2:You have to look at it and I know it sounds deep, but you have to look at it from his perspective and not yours. It's funny that you talked about that. I recorded that album in 2020 and it still hasn't come out yet. It's 2024. It's about to be 2025. I'm sorry, no, it's not you. Trust me, it's not you because, to your point, there have been roadblocks along the way.
Speaker 2:That, in the moment where I stood up and I thought I was about to do something, then I thought, okay, it's mine to carry, and the Holy Spirit came along and shifted everything. He shifted relationships, he shifted perspectives, he shifted timing. He literally shifted the world and sat me down Show, did Pandemic and sat me down and said, hey, I don't need you to do this. Well, I'll be. I need you to be my son. Wow, and you know what? And and there are moments and I'm being super transparent here there have been moments over the last four years that I and you've I've shared with you. There've been moments where I just felt like maybe I did fail, maybe I made a mistake. Yeah, when you know, relationships died, it's like I guess I am a terrible person, I guess I'm not this, I guess I'm not ready. And he kept saying it's when you actually let go that I can start doing some things. And so for those that have been struggling with, ok, I'm a broken vessel, I don't think I have anything to give. In fact, there's a hole here and there's a hole there, and I'm trying, but I don't. I can't give a perfect pour. Great, put yourself in the master's hands. Stop trying to do it of your own strength and let him do the work. What you don't realize and I shared this that night during the recording is that broken vessels that are repaired actually have more character than the perfected vessels.
Speaker 2:I watch a lot of HGTV, I look at a lot of homes, and there's one thing that's Favorite channel. There's one thing when you see a brand new house that was built, it literally comes. The manufacturer just took his hands off of it and it's nice and it has all these rooms. But there's something about a house that is over a hundred years old, that's been through dings, that's been, that's that's raised families, that raises the value because it's been tested Right. It's been tested Right, it's been tried, and we have to be willing to be the things that are tested and tried. Amen. Because the value is found in that character, but you have to let him define it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to just pause for a second. I see a blinking Are. The recording is okay? It is, yes, okay, so we're still good. So we're good, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. No, you're good bro, I hope I'm good. Oh, no, you're killing the game.
Speaker 1:So when you have, so take, for instance, now, when a broken vessel now has character and how you are able to do what God has you to do, there's a uniqueness in how you are able to do what God has you to do. There's a uniqueness in how you do and how you get to do what God has you to do. Yes, sir, right, like I even see how. So you said, god slowed you down during the pandemic. Right, yeah, completely slowed you down during the pandemic. God completely stripped me during the pandemic. Wow, right, Because.
Speaker 1:And so, as a man, you know, there's a dream that you have to being a man. So you know you're like, okay, I want to do this, this, this, provide, all the kind of things. Yeah, and in the midst of the thriving, things change and God slowed things down. Yep, you know, I didn't have a particular house anymore. I was living in a one bedroom apartment with two kids and a wife. Yeah, the one bedroom of a two bedroom apartment. So let me just say, my whole family and I was in that one bedroom and then had to move out of that and go into the hood, the hood hood, where I had to sleep at the door with my gun, um to then god slowly but surely trickling to where we were able to move out of there and move into a new home yeah, it's a's a beautiful home, by the way.
Speaker 1:Thank you, sir. Sir, it kind of looks like yours. I'm very proud of you, thank you, sir.
Speaker 1:Thank you, sir, it still looks like yours. So now, one of the things that I realized is that when God does do things for you, and you are doing things in the midst of pleasing the heart of God, yeah, you're always reminding yourself about where you've been, what you did, where you are. So now what I've realized is is that we and I'm trying to make sure cause I can sit and ask you questions all day, cause I just love sitting in your light- I love you too, bro.
Speaker 1:When you sit and you realize that God has done so many great things for you. So now you're in the midst of learning how to walk in those things. The confidence is the part. Now that is my struggle, the confidence, literally. I am brought to tears every time somebody does something that they are willing to do for the dream god gave me. Yeah, from their heart. Yeah, you know, you mentioned jada earlier. Jada's here out of a heart. Trey was here earlier out of her heart. Yeah, and I literally swell up at times because I'm like they don't have to be here. They don't. You don't really have to be here because I know you've had a grueling work week. I am honored to be here, but you're here. So now there is a place of being able the confidence that not only did God give this to you, but God is looking for you to go, to do, to deliver to be sent.
Speaker 1:See, he sent you, but you have to do.
Speaker 2:But if he sends you, he will. You but you have to do, but if he sends you, he will do through you. That's the slight difference. This is the reason why I'm saying it this way, right for those that are struggling with confidence in their abilities. You have to realize it's him doing it through you. Your job is to ensure that you have the tools for him to do what he wants to do through you. I'll share this as an example. This year I had the opportunity to go to South Africa for two weeks to do a tour. I've never done a tour. I've never done an international tour. During this tour I did four concerts. I spoke at four different churches. I've never done a concert and ministered the next day. I've never spoke at three services on a Sunday morning back to back to back. I'd never spoke at three services on a Sunday morning back to back to back. I'd never done those things, but I was willing to go where he sent me.
Speaker 1:Break that down, though B, because you had to have conversation with him and yourself and so how did those go?
Speaker 2:Those conversations for me went like this God, I didn't do this, you did. You open this door and so I'm going to believe that. You believe that what you placed inside of me is good for this space. So whatever you tell me to do is what I'm going to do. There were concerts. I didn't sing my full set because we did an altar call, which I've never done at a concert, and all of a sudden there are 115 people at the altar. How does that happen? I'm not doing it under my own strength. I'm prepared. I understand my gifting, I understand what I'm good at. Pause there. Yeah, I'm prepared.
Speaker 1:I understand my gifting.
Speaker 2:I understand what I'm good at. Pause there. Yeah, I'm prepared, I understand my gifting.
Speaker 2:I understand my gifting and I know what he makes me good at. If I'm looking to have this big dream, if I want to be able to go somewhere, I need to know how to sing. I need to know my vocal abilities. I need to know how to be able to protect my voice. I need to know how to be able to look look at and see and help a room get to where God wants it to be. I have to be proficient at my singing gift. I know I'm confident in my ability to teach. I'm not the greatest speaker in the world, but you. You give me 10 minutes and I'm going to give you something that God has given me, and it's not me, but I'm confident in what he's going to show me because he's proven himself to me and through me over and over again.
Speaker 1:So so it is okay to be prepared Absolutely In his presence, Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yes, but your preparation should never take the take precedence over his presence.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, your preparation should never take precedence over his presence. Yeah, let's say one more time you so, you so your preparation nuggets.
Speaker 2:Your preparation should never take precedence over his presence, because your preparation is to get to his presence.
Speaker 1:Too many of us are so focused on our preparation that we shoot straight past his presence and that's where the power is or we try to create a false facade of his presence, which is what I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever wanted.
Speaker 2:Ever, ever, ever, ever wanted.
Speaker 1:Because at that point, what are we here for? Why, right, why? So now in the preparation? Right, because you said preparation. What else did you say?
Speaker 2:Preparation.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, hold on, because you said I'm prepared. I'm prepared, uh-huh. I.
Speaker 2:I forgot yeah, it was good too. It was good, it was so good.
Speaker 1:Jada, did you get it? Did you write it down? No, we got to get a studio audience. Nobody. No, all right, good, but you were prepared, but you're prepared. And God, I wish I could remember what the other ones were. But again, we're talking about confidence, right so, in having the being prepared, right. So now we're doing Right, you're doing, we're doing. There's things that I'm walking in right now in my life that I am scared sugar honey, sugar honey, ice cream, it's good. And you, yeah, I literally cannot stop.
Speaker 2:If.
Speaker 1:I stop. I feel a void. Literally Right, I feel a void. So, in the midst of walking out what God has you to do, there is a point where I think somebody said it on their social media today, and they said it so well that I was going to say it it's too much of a serious time now for you to not do something because you're scared or you don't have confidence.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:And it's even scarier when God says that to you. Yeah, and it's even scarier when God says that to you, yeah, when God says to you now we don't walk through this. I need this from you. I need this from you. I've set you apart to do this. Now I need you to do it, and do it from the place that I already groomed you to be. You are doing what you do now because God groomed you for years to be exactly the man you are today.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and I'm grateful for it. I'm grateful for it because it's it liberates people you know, and I'm going to, and I'm going to challenge you still, cause I know it's just a different perspective, because I'm able to do only because he does it through me. What I've prepared myself to be is a vessel. So, no matter where I go, no matter where he calls me, whatever he pours into me, I will pour out.
Speaker 1:So does it seem like I have that misunderstood.
Speaker 2:Sometimes Because the thought it's just, it's a, it's a difference of thought. I don't have to do it, I just have to be prepared to let him do it through me, okay, stop.
Speaker 1:What does that mean? Because then at that point, nope, I already heard it. Thank you, holy Spirit. That means, even through the preparation, god provides the preparation. So when God provides the preparation in the midst of doing it, uh-huh, uh-huh this is good.
Speaker 2:So even tonight you were talking about how wonderful it is to have Jada here and how wonderful it was to have Trey here.
Speaker 1:And I want to have you too. Yeah, I want to have you here. And how great it is to have Trey here and I wanted to have you too.
Speaker 2:I wanted to have you here, and how great it is to have me here. Praise God. Who did that? God? So who's doing it now, god? So then, why are you taking the pressure of it?
Speaker 1:Because I can mess it up.
Speaker 2:Correct. That's why and how do we mess it up? I feel like you mess it up, correct.
Speaker 1:That's why, and how do we mess it up? I feel like you mess it up by not being prepared. I feel like you mess it up by not looking and seeing what he, what he, showed you. I feel like you mess it up by not by not being careful to do your, your spiritual due, your divine due, diligence in what God is showing you for you to do, so his presence can be in. So, and again, it could be my critique. Yeah, right, it could be my, my, my critique, because I grew up in a super critique, ish, family, a heavy critical family.
Speaker 1:Many of us and and it was always a and don't get me wrong, I love my family, yeah, but our culture was a culture of. It needs to be better. Your current is needs to be better. My company's all are Kaizen, so it's all about getting better. Once you get good, you got to get better, got to get better. So I do my relationship with God the same way, right, and I'm realizing now some days it's great because I could build from scratch what many could never do correct and I understand that it is a power of God and it's a gift from the Lord, and he's proud of that and God is proud of that.
Speaker 1:However, yes, sir, the power of God and as a gift from the Lord, and he's proud of that and God is proud of that. However, yes, sir, if I don't understand why I'm doing this or how I'm doing this, because, or why I'm doing what, I'm doing it for right, what I'm doing it for it's, it's something that, again, god has always taken me to school.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know Because he's constantly. I'm going back a couple, about a few minutes. I'm sorry to interrupt, but he's constantly saying which tree do you want to eat from? Do?
Speaker 1:you want to know? I know. Or do you want to trust? I want to trust, I want to trust, I want to trust, I want to trust with the great mind that you give me.
Speaker 2:Right, do you want with the great mind you give me, or with your great mind, but you?
Speaker 1:got, to so now let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2:Because the other way, the other way that you can mess it up is to get it, is to let God take it to a place and then say, okay, god, thanks, I'll make you proud. Let me take it over here.
Speaker 1:So I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you. Let's just have that conversation real quick. I am consistently asking God for forgiveness. With that, I think we all are, man. I consistently ask God for forgiveness. With that I can consistently tell God yo, I did this like this because I thought this be the right way. I thought, though, I had this little auction, that it might not be necessary right now, or the right way, yep, but I went through this analytical nature. I did a performer, I did all this thing to figure out what, and then God's like yeah, that wasn't my plan that wasn't my plan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that wasn't my plan. That wasn't my plan. So now, and I won't lie to you, a lot of my badges right now in in the spirit is from me cleaning up what I messed up. I, I will be very honest with you, bro, it is. It is cleaning up who you telling what I messed?
Speaker 2:up. I've been married 17 years. Oh, I know way too much about cleaning up what you messed up Way, way, way, way, way, way, way too much.
Speaker 1:And it is you know what. But that's so liberating, Because now it is God. This may sound weird, I don't care who likes it.
Speaker 2:It's fine.
Speaker 1:It is in those muck in the mire moments that I've messed up that I went to God. That are my favorite times, absolutely. They are my favorite times with God.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:God. Why, god? I feel like it is because I am. So I'll be honest. I'm so disappointed in myself that I have no desire to think for him. I just want to hear everything he has to say. I feel that those are the great times for me because when I am there after I've messed something up, I get to psychoanalyze what it is and who it is I am through his eyes. So I don't do it again. Because I love data, I love to learn yeah, I love those moments. And then I get to do it in the presence. That has never let me down, never let me down, and when I get up from it, I'm even the wiser and stronger.
Speaker 2:And how much. And that's wonderful. And what I've learned as well is how much more wonderful it would be to intentionally go after that when it's not muck and mire, all right.
Speaker 1:But to do it every day. Don't do that to me right now.
Speaker 2:Intentionally. You know what? I just came to spend time with you. What? In fact? Nothing. Everything is good, but what do you want? Because I don't want good, I want what you want. How do you settle in that? How do?
Speaker 1:you settle in that? How do you? How do you settle in that? How do you settle in that? How do you? How do you settle in that type a personalities, when you are a fixer by nature? How do you settle in that?
Speaker 2:It's very, very difficult and I'm still learning it and I really I'm starting to realize now, maybe it's my age I'm getting to realize. Now, maybe it's my age I'm getting old now I'm starting to realize that my solutions, as much as I prided myself on being Superman, my strength, is nothing compared to his. The stuff I try to fix on my own, mere Band-Aids.
Speaker 1:I've seen him literally repair things that I tried to band-aid and thought it was cute. I often wonder what it would be like if I always was able to spend time with God the way I know he would like, and I often struggle. That is a struggle, which is one of the reasons why my confidence at times is so bare. It's because I'm powerful when I spend time with him. I'm getting by when I don't.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:And if I really want to get to the power of God, spending time with him is necessary, and I don't know why. At times that is a struggle.
Speaker 2:It's because you're Martha, most of us are Marcus.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We believe that again, I'm going back to this meritocracy thing we believe that we're supposed to do the work and we are invited to do the work, but you've got to understand that Mary, the spirit of Mary, the one that just laid at his feet Jesus, said she's doing the better thing. I appreciate what you're doing, but she's. When are you going to come? Sit here, when are you going to come? Just be with me and watch this. Let me tell you what needs to be cleaned, instead of trying to anticipate what I want you to clean, what I want you to clean.
Speaker 2:That's where I am that's where, that's where I am.
Speaker 1:You're not by yourself there, bro that's where I I because and don't get me wrong it's because of my love for God. Right, I love God so much. I want to give him the best of me, but I realized that he'll see the best in me, Whether or not I see it Correct. And I have a problem with saying cliches. I have a problem with sounding churchy.
Speaker 2:You're good, bro. I'm sorry if I was too churchy tonight.
Speaker 1:Too churchy, no, no, no. I feel like if I say, god sees the best in me even when I can't see it, yeah. Right, but I feel like he deserves to have the best from me, because I want him to have it.
Speaker 2:And he believes that you deserve the best. But you can only get it when you let him give it to you. Your best isn't close to his best through you.
Speaker 1:Hmm, which is why I now learning to tie.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Spending time with God for it to prepare me, for me to give him my best. That's the superpower, that's the strength.
Speaker 2:The strength comes from that time and the confidence comes from that, because I'm not guessing, I'm on assignment. I'm on assignment. It's different when you have very clear instructions versus I'm just going out trying to get the biggest game. Yeah, not game, like playing a game, but thinking about hunting terms, right.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go get the biggest game, so I can give it back to him.
Speaker 2:Well, if you had stayed and actually just been quiet, he would have told you hey, can you just go pick up that Exactly what to do, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what I want. That's where I'd be messing up.
Speaker 2:That's where I'd be messing up too.
Speaker 1:That's where I'd be and then. So then now you know, as we're wrapping up, yeah, man, I feel like now that is the point where, if you find yourself there, yeah, yeah, man of God, so he can feed you back the gift of his love. Yeah, you know, and not to sound churchy again, not to sound all whatever, but you realize that you really get to the place of having this beautiful confidence in who he made you to be when you're with the creator. Now, you see, people always talk about the creator and again, I didn't really understand that before.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I understand it now. Yeah, I understand that. When you go back to the creator yeah, that's where you can be you can find the confidence Correct In who you were naturally meant to be. Correct, because only the creator can tell the creation what it was created for see, I knew there was going to be a greater way for you to say that I knew it. I did.
Speaker 1:I did so b yo before we go yeah, man give the dreamer one last piece of advice what's the first step from where you find yourself today, what's one, what's something that you could do to actually kick yourself into gear of finding that spiritual confidence, and what is a good way to spend time with God to do that?
Speaker 2:May I speak directly to camera? That's okay. Hey, dreamer, I know you have specific things that you have in store. I know there are plans that you've put into position. I know there are things that you're putting into place, but before you do that, make sure that you spend time with the one that knows all time.
Speaker 2:There's nothing that you can create that would be new to the one that is the most creative mind, the most creative God, the most creative entity that has ever and will ever exist. You need to make sure that, before you make your plans, make plans to hear from him. He said that he would order the steps of a righteous man and a righteous woman. That's not just walking a step, but that's actually your plans and all of the stuff that you want to put together for that dream. That dream is not bigger than the dream. You want great things. He has great things for you, but you've got to slow down, learn the lesson and become who he designed you to be. Don't go after hashtag goals. Go after God, and I promise you he will never let you down.
Speaker 1:You are such a gift.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I'm just a guy.
Speaker 1:You're a gift Guy and gift start with the same word yeah Letter.
Speaker 2:G. Yeah, son of God. Yeah, that's a G2. G2.
Speaker 1:So deep and he's great, he's glorious, gargantuan even I messed that word up the fact that you even said the word and I'm sitting here like I think I know what it means. But I'm not gonna guess.
Speaker 2:Adam, I want to tell you how proud I am of you, man. Thank you, b. Thank you. You have pushed through. I've watched you grow, redeemed Conversations now going into its fourth season Fourth season In magnificent ways. The fact that you started in a small room and now you have your own studio God is opening some amazing doors to you. My friend, I am honored that you gave me the opportunity to pour into this space with you. I pray for you constantly, I pray for your marriage constantly, I pray for your kids constantly, and I believe that you have not seen your best years yet, and that's not a cliche. There are more albums in you, there are more productions in you. There is an incomparable ministry coming through you. He is proud of you and I am proud of you, and I'll forever be in your corner.
Speaker 1:Well, father, we're so honored. Yes, lord, and once again, the opportunity to be able To sit and talk. Yeah, about you, with you, for you, thank you, lord, the redemptive heart, god that you have given us. Yeah, about you, with you, for you, thank you, lord, the redemptive heart, god, that you have given us. Lord, god, to be able to hear the heart of the dreamer. Yes, lord, the hope of the dreamer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The heart of the hope of the dreamer. God, thank you for the ability, god, to be able to allow it to swell and grow in this. Lord, yes, lord, god, we're so thankful for the opportunity. Thank you, to be able to connect with you. Lord, yeah, and God, even when we're a little taken back by our setbacks. God, taken back, god, by our trip ups. God, taken back, god, by our trip ups. God, taken back by God by by the, the sinkholes and the trees and the road. God, yeah, thank you so much. Thank you for empowering us to still see While we learn, still see while we hope to still see God while we're able, god, just to pick through. Yes, lord, your quiet directions. Yeah, my God, I pray for my family.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's able to watch this and talk through this God. Yes, lord, let conversations, lord, god, be the conversations, god that you can be in. Yes, god, so that you, god, can reside in them. Yes, lord, god, be the conversations, god that you can be in, so that you, god, can reside in them. Yes, lord, for God, all we want is your heart. That's it, because if we can have that, everything else can fall into place. Yes, so, father, we thank you, thank you, we're honored by you being in the midst of what we do and we're thankful for you, god. Yes, we love you, we love you, we honor you. Yes, and we bless your name and it is your son, just the Christ in him. We do pray, amen, amen. So, family, as we're here again on Redeemed Conversations, our fourth season, fourth season, fourth season to be able to sit here and have a great time and conversation with you. There's going to be so many great things. We're thankful, father, for the great new space we get to be.
Speaker 1:I had to grow up. I had to grow up and get a whole another lease. Jesus, you didn't grow up, you glowed up. Watch it. What did you say? Now, we had to grow up, so being produced and going to a studio and things of that nature. So we're so thankful for that. So we're going into bigger and better things this year, so we're so thankful. Listen, we are here every Friday night. We'll do our best to have some really great people on here with us. I think Bernard might be here on here with us again, because he's really phenomenal, and we'll try to even do some more. How you feel about even having some even real man conversations?
Speaker 2:I would love that.
Speaker 1:You know, because maybe a live Q and A you sell. I had to practice. I had to practice before we went live because me and Jada was nervous, oh Jesus. But we're here now and we're here again next Friday and we're so thankful. So, once again, thank you so much, so much, bernard Williams, for being with us, and Jada, you rock and roll as always and you're here. And again, thank you so much, family, and welcome to Season 4. Redeemed Conversation with Adam Legester. We love you. Have a great day, peace out.
